That was because it was Buu fighting another Buu. Now, when SSJ3 Goku fights Fat Buu, Piccolo notes that his power increases with every hit. I've found this to be a way more tricky debate than I figured it would be. Correct me anywhere I'm wrong, but do not say any of the following: SSJ3 is not better than SSJ3 Gotenks or Mystic Gohan, or that the English Dubbed Anime/Manga means nothing, since Japnese and Englsih Manga or Anime, are part of the DBZ Universe. So, the GSK "weakend" Buu, but it ultimatley didn't matter. In Z it fluctuates and in Super, we know who’s stronger. Now, keep in mind he is still Buu. Buuhan. You can call Goten and Trunks idiots if you want, the fact remains that they can sense ki, and didn't sense Super Buu's go up. In desperation, he absrobs Piccolo and SSJ3 Gotenks. So I believe, that Evil Buu was just the essence or mind of Kid Buu. Now, as they fight, Evil Buu wins (as they are both part of Buu, and the evil has always had more power than the good) and absorbs Good Buu. That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. He fought pretty evenly with Kid Buu and said he thought he had the power ot destroy him. That means that Goku was worn out and tired when he made the comment about Super Buu killing him and Vegeta. Not the same mistake, or situation. It's shown and stated multiple times Kid Buu>Gotenks and Gohan. Now, at this point there is no indication that Kid Buu is weaker than SSK. Struggled against SSK, and decided to absorb him. They are even or Kid Buu is stronger. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. I think it's weird that Goku only mentions being stronger than Fat Boo when talking to Vegeta, instead of saying something like "Truth is, I could … Only when Super Buu absorbed Gotenks SSJ3 and Picollo did he lose his ground. [[Category:{{{1}}}|Buu's by level of strength]]. Manga Trunks's SS2 was on par with the SS3 Goku who is stronger than his Buu arc counterpart. Both Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Kid Buu once he had revved up enough power. Below is a link with a detailed explanation, stating how Goku is weaker than not only Buu, but Gotenks and Gohan as well. If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. In the Anime Filler he is a SSJ3, and no match for Buutenks. SSJ3 Goku could have won against Kid Buu or Fat Buu.. (Not Good Buu.) Gogeta > Super Buu (base form) > SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta. Goten and Trunks never sensed a power increase with Super Buu, but in RoSaT they admitted that it would take SSJ3 to beat him. Or he was warming up, which ever you believe, either way it didn't matter because he was no match for Gohan. Goku's later admission is specifically about who he fought, he didn't fight Super Buu. This list includes absorbsions, not just the Buu's normal forms. So, Buuiccolo would be Super Buu with the power of Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks (SSJs). However, Goku said it, so we will just believe it for now. Kid Buu does much better than Fat Buu, implying that over time Buu really does just get stronger. Now, he seperates into 2 entities. Goku in SSJ3 could have taken Fat Buu if he really tried. Goku: “We did it! Goten, Trunks and Krillin all failed to sense a power in Super Buu, which on its own could mean that Super Buu's ki isn't greater than Fat Buu's ki, which would imply SSJ3 Goku > Super Buu = Fat Buu. Every piece of information in the manga tells us that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Kid buu DID almost beat fat buu to death, so it shows that buu can be killed without vaporizing him with a spirit bomb. Ssj3 Goku VS Fat Buu Gotenks Buu Kid Buu ... buu and possibly Kid buu if he had gone all out Although Gotenks Buu would be a different story since ssj gotenks is stronger than ssj3 goku … 1) Super Boo is stronger than him, made when he's inside of Super Boo. Easy, Kid Boo, Kid Boo, Kid Boo! So, easier to manipulate. But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. This is simply not true. Apparently Super Buu was stated to be equal to Fat Buu in power, only now his body is better suited for fighting Gohan and Gotenks are never actually stated to be stronger than Goku in either the manga or guidebooks (the guidebooks actually rule Goku out of the chain). So, this means that Super buu is Kid Buu with power SSK, and GSK, without the power restraining. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. There's this whole discussion of Kid Buu > Super Buu (base) because everyone thinks SSj3 can own Super Buu (base) because he was only a "little" stronger of Fat Buu who SSj3 Goku … Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. I must ask  Why you think Evil Buu would equal Kid Buu? A monster created for killing. Nothing to hold him from tapping into his power. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. There is Zero evidence that Super Buu's ki ever rose above Fat Buu level. This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. First off, I will introduce the most important and obvious examples. Now, Goku admits he can beat Kid Buu. He would have to reach the level of Gotenks all on his own. The Z Fighters INCREASED his power. Ssj3 Goku is at least 4x stronger than Ssj2 Gohan, so there is a lot of wiggle room for Gotenks to be stronger than Fat Boo, but not quite there with Ssj3 Goku.. So, Buu did not get a restrain on power like he did from the GSK, but an increase like he did from the SSK. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. Now, after figthing with Super Grand Kai, he again absobs him as well. Ok, Bibidi creates Kid Buu. This Kai did not weaken him. I will now be referring to him as Pure Boo from this point on so follow me here. Goten and Trunks are kids, innocent. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. Indeed. On Namek, Krillin made the mistake of judging someone for their appearance, not the mistake of failing to sense ki as if it wasn't there, so no, not the same mistake. He reverts back to Kid Buu, pure evil. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Good Buu is in it. Goku tells Fat Buu that a warrior stronger than himself will fight Buu in two days. So you would have base Gogeta at least being 10x stronger than ssj3 Goku, once he goes super saiyan, he would be at least a whooping 500x stronger than ssj3 Goku, at bare minimum. After the whole sheniganans with Super Buu and Buff Buu, Goku is more pleased to see Kid Buu than worried about his strength. Meaning, thus far Super Buu is the strongest Buu to appear. If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. Now, he fights against SSJ3 Gotenks and almost loses. I just think it's a bit excessive to have Goku that much stronger than Buu. Although I think my list covers it better, you  have logical points to back the placement of the Buu's. No he isn’t. He reminded us about a fight that he had, and said he could have won it if he wanted to, but pretended to draw: One thing you cannot change is Goku admitting to being weaker than Super Boo. Ok, I am going to start with Kid Buu and see if I can't figure this out. Evil Buu is stated to be stronger than Kid Buu based on his fight with Mr. Good Buu. Even though SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Kid Buu, it's unlikely he could take on someone even stronger. This is simply not true. Now, after a fight with Gotenks, he befriends Hercule, and ultimately the SGK's plan is finally being put into effect. It is probably safe to say that Trunks would have defeated fat Buu, how easily is another discussion. Even ssj3 Goku couldn't beat kid Buu. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. Krillin, Goten and Trunks are just idiots who rely on their eyes instead of sensing Ki; Krillin made the same mistake with Freeza. SSJ Gotenks Post is much stronger and has to be equal if not greater than Goku.. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Evil Buu and Good Buu. He is refering to Gotenks, probably taking into account Goten and Trunks' ability to become a Super Saiya-jin. Kid Buu easily brushes aside both Fat Buu and Vegeta, making Goku's sustained fight all the more impressive. Which, not only made him easier to manipulate, but also, contained his power. Now this cause him to change and creates Ultra Buu. Goku can kill Kid Buu, who is stronger than Super Buu. Do you think Goku should still be able to ride the Flying Nimbus in Super? Thus Buuhan > Super Buu > Kid Buu. Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, who fought Super Buu, and Goku said he couldnt beat Super Buu. The spirit of the SSK, went into Uub. This creates Fat Buu. As for the evidence that SSJ3 Goku could beat Super Buu. Another way you could tell is that Dabura was stated to be about equal to Cell, Fat Buu killed Dabura, and kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu. Almost like a zenkai type of power up. But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. So this also says that even though Kid Buu is much stronger than he was a birth, he is still weaker than Super Buu. Why Do You Think Goku Lied About Being Weaker Than Super Boo? Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. (Anime) and in the Manga he says "Even Gohan can beat you now." SS3 Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu and so is Kid Buu. Now Kid Buu is basically in control of his body again, but the GSK stil causes him to have a soft spot for Hercule and Bee. SSJ2 Goku: 110-SSJ3: 440--Vs. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. It's fucking basic powerscaling. @Muzic: Kid Buu is actually weaker than Super Buu (base form). However, they are not 100% pure of heart. I also believe Buuiccolo to be stronger than Ultra Buu, but other than that I agree with your list.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 22:10, March 3, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1, idk exactly where i would put southern kai absorbed but definitely somewhere between kid buu and fat buu. Really controversial fight such as Goku vs Gohan, since Gohan was stronger than Super Bu and Goku was in tie with kid buu. Not the esscence of himself (Evil Buu) but now 100% evil in control. He also says that his power has doubled since their last fight. Maybe he could take Fat Buu (the one that originally hatched) as SSJ3 Goku was able to go head to head with that version. That's more proof that Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than him, not to mention Goku already stated he couldn't defeat Super Buu. I think. So, with the innocent mind of a child, that would make Fat Buu not even want to do his own deeds, but to do as he is told. People are so hooked up on this argument so it’s time to squash some of this. Now, that could imply a whole hell of a lot about SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan, but that's not what we are talking about. That means that the Ultra Buu we see here is stronger than Super Buu. Supreme kai said that other kais make Buu weaker, but he was talking mostly about Fat Buu as weaker than kid Buu. Now, Super Buu is the same as Fat Buu, but without the GSK's effects making him innocent and restraining his power. It's so clear he wasn't at full power. 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